Candace Smith, LCSW - Psychotherapist in Austin, Texas

Eva Sheie (00:03):
The purpose of this podcast is simple. We want you to get to know your doctor before meeting them in person because you're making a life-changing decision, and time is scarce. The more you can learn about who your doctor is before you meet them, the better that first meeting will be. There's no substitute for an in-person appointment, but we hope this comes close. I'm your host, Eva Sheie, and you're listening to Meet the Doctor. Welcome back to Meet the Doctor. My name is Eva Sheie. My guest today is Candace Smith, who is not a doctor. She's actually a psychotherapist, and I'm very curious and very interested to hear about a little bit different specialty than we normally talk about on this podcast, so thank you for joining us, Candace.

Candace Smith (00:46):
Well, thank you so much for having me.

Eva Sheie (00:49):
How did you get into the mental health field?

Candace Smith (00:52):
I had some family when I was younger that talked about their experience going through therapy, specifically couples therapy and how much it helped them, and that kind of was a little click in my mind. Wow, okay, that could actually be beneficial. And then I took an elective in high school that was like, my favorite class was psychology, and so I was like, wow, I actually like this class. That's unusual. It kind of went from there. Just always been very curious about people understanding how we work, how we operate.

Eva Sheie (01:23):
Do you find that helping people with psychological issues actually drains you or does it have the opposite effect on you?

Candace Smith (01:32):
I really think it has the opposite effect on me. I mean, it can be heavy at times. A good sense of humor and a lot of my clients do too, I think that's a big coping skill for a lot of us. And my colleague who is next door, she'll say sometimes it sounds like y'all are having a cocktail party in there sometimes, just laughing and having these good conversations. And it's a balance, obviously, we can't just be dwelling on the negative or the heavy too much. I mean, then we have to have some lightness as well, and so. It's really just about connecting with people and processing, sharing what's going on, and then ways of dealing with it and getting out of it, and that is what energizes me the most is just getting to see that.

Eva Sheie (02:16):
Is it common in your field to specialize or sub-specialize even in really small categories of things?

Candace Smith (02:23):
It is, and especially now because there's so many, I mean therapists, that's when I was thinking about being a therapist, everybody kept saying, oh my gosh, Austin's inundated with therapists. It's going to be really difficult.

Eva Sheie (02:35):
And you still can't get an appointment.

Candace Smith (02:38):
I know it's still really hard, so yeah, I ended up specializing and a lot of people do and that helps you in marketing and people finding you and that kind of thing. So I specialize in Dialectical Behavior Therapy. It's called DPT. Dialectical Behavior Therapy means basically that the type of modality that was initially designed in the early nineties for people who have borderline personality disorder, and that is a disorder of the emotion regulation system. I'm trying not to get too technical, and so a lot of this modality is about skills and strategies to help people cope, but also regulate emotions and have the ability to do that in relationships and interpersonal situations, which is typically the biggest trigger for people. And so now DBT has been found they've done a lot of research and found to be helpful for not just that personality disorder, but for substance use disorder, for anxiety, for depression, really across the board.

Eva Sheie (03:39):
I'm stuck on borderline because, without oversharing about myself too much, I knew somebody who probably had it, and so I did a lot of reading and studying to figure out what it was. This is why I think she probably had it because I did a lot of research and at the time, this was maybe 10 years ago, it didn't seem like there was anything that could actually cure borderline personality. DBT actually does have an impact?

Candace Smith (04:10):
Yes. I mean, cure is a strong word obviously. It definitely, I mean obviously the right, they have to be motivated to do it obviously, but the skills and tools have been shown to really bring down a lot of the symptoms that drive borderline personality, which again, a lot of times are that impulsivity, sometimes self-destructive behaviors, angry outburst, things that make it challenging for them and for others sometimes. This was actually designed to help specifically with that, and the person that started it was Marsha Linehan and she was just a brilliant clinician. But she recently wrote a book about how she had borderline personality disorder, which blew us all away, we who had studied this for so long and was a powerful example of the shift that's occurring that we used to be more like we wouldn't tell anybody anything about our personal lives as therapists, but she had let people know that just to try to reduce stigma and help people understand what it looks like and what it can look like. It doesn't mean it's going to get in the way and interfere with you having the quality of life you want.

Eva Sheie (05:19):
Do you also help the people who might be in relationships with someone that's struggling with that?

Candace Smith (05:26):
Yes.

Eva Sheie (05:27):
Yeah.

Candace Smith (05:27):
I do. I've had a lot of either individuals, I've had group at times for people who are in family relationships with people to help them understand more about it and what they can do, what's in their control to do around it. Even with, it's kind of similar to work I do with adolescents, working with their parents around, here are some ways that might be a little more effective in communicating or setting those boundaries that are important to do. If someone has sensitivity to emotion though it's not want to be, we're not trying to fragile-ize anybody, but it's more about there is a better way typically to get your point across.

Eva Sheie (06:12):
It sounds a lot like parenting toddlers. Parenting toddlers, yeah, little kids.

Candace Smith (06:18):
Totally.

Eva Sheie (06:21):
A lot of our own behavior is how we change our children's behavior. If I react a certain way to something, they might push my buttons, and if I react a different way, they might not push my buttons. I've learned more having young children than pretty much any other thing I've done in my life.

Candace Smith (06:39):
I agree. I have two daughters and yeah.

Eva Sheie (06:42):
You do?

Candace Smith (06:42):
It has been the most, yes, that has been the most I've learned the most, I think from those relationships.

Eva Sheie (06:50):
Yeah, you want them to be good humans, so the responsibility just feels so great.

Candace Smith (06:57):
And trying to break those inner generational patterns that are not, we know aren't effective or not healthy. But for me, I noticed they're deeply hardwired in there and it takes a lot of work and practice to try to slow it down, act differently, say different things than my parents and grandparents did.

Eva Sheie (07:25):
You're giving me the perfect segue to food, because food and kids is a big issue. The way that we, a lot of people know that, and the reason you even found me in the first place is because I have another podcast about weight loss, and that was how you stumbled backwards into what we do here. It's a big topic that we talk about on that show is how do we talk to our children about food so that they don't end up having bad feelings or destructive behavior that results in them being overweight or unhealthy when they grow up or as they grow up. How are you thinking about helping people with food issues these days? Is that something that you're working on?

Candace Smith (08:04):
Yes, I've definitely have been working with in that arena for a long time just in terms of it's one of those behaviors that is what we turn to a lot of times, or what a lot of people turn to when they're trying to regulate emotion. So there's just a number of emotion regulators out there, and so food is one and for a lot of us, and so I've been working with people on that for a long time trying to help with acceptance and mindfulness and trying to understand, okay, when you start noticing that desire to eat, and again differentiating that from, is it hunger or is it more like you're trying to self-soothe? And again, all this is done with a very nonjudgmental stance. That's a big part of DPT, the type of therapy I do, because this obviously is a very sensitive topic for people. So it's kind of this process of trying to understand both what's going on on the front end that you can do, that you can be aware of, not that you can change necessarily, but if you're coming home from work and you notice there's a lot of stress and a lot of lingering, maybe irritation, there's something around that that you can do that maybe would help you prevent you from maybe eating as a way to cope.

(09:19):
What we we're trying to always work on is just expanding our toolkit in a way. Of course, we feel bad and we want to feel better. That's normal human behavior. And there's just so many behaviors that are like that with self-harm, drinking, drugs that we can relate to in terms of you just got stuck on one thing, like eating and then, so it's trying to give yourself that sense of, okay, what am I really looking for? What's the function of this? What am I needing? What am I wanting to change through this behavior in that toolbox?

Eva Sheie (09:54):
As a lifelong dieter, I always felt like the toolbox was pretty weak. But when GLP-1's came along, if my story, if anyone's listening that knows my story, I was extremely skeptical and even rejected it the first couple times it was introduced to me, but within about, I don't know, two days, I recognized that it was going to change my life. From your side, I'd love to know your perspective on the GLP-1 as a tool in that toolbox and what you're thinking about there.

Candace Smith (10:30):
I mean, it is the top dog in the toolbox. I mean, that's, all the other skills. I mean, just pale in comparison. I mean, it's like we've been trying to do something that's so freaking hard for so long. And I was the same way, I mean, I didn't think talking to my clients and me believing it too, about body positivity and acceptance and knowing my weight is not a reflection of my worth and value. And I knew it, but I also still I think had this sense of I could be probably healthier and I do want more energy, and I knew that there was things that maybe losing some weight would do, but then it's like, yeah, you've been dieting for years. You're like, Ugh. That's the last thing I wanted to do over the last 10 years was try to do another diet.

Eva Sheie (11:16):
What is the psychological impact on someone who's failed at dieting for most of their entire life?

Candace Smith (11:25):
I mean, I think a lot of skepticism on anything else working, which is why I think you feel the same, and I think a lot of people felt the same at first where it's a lot of skepticism and cynicism. And what turned me around was just the hearing people talk about their doctors prescribing for health related issues. They were prescribing GLP-1s for thyroid issues and autoimmune disorder stuff, and I was like, wait, wait, wait is actually good potentially for you? That's wild. No other diet med has ever been good for us. Yeah, I think there's a lot of impact that dieting has had our society, the messaging we've received over our whole lives. I mean, there's a lot that people say now to me that yeah, now suddenly I've dropped 50 pounds and people are a lot nicer to me now.

Eva Sheie (12:17):
Yes.

Candace Smith (12:17):
People actually hold doors open for me, where before I was invisible and it's like an okay, that's nice, but also makes people, I mean upset. They're like, that's really messed up.

Eva Sheie (12:29):
Trading the burden of shame and carrying that shame around all day long for your whole life, trading that for a little bit of misunderstanding about what the medication is supposed to do, as a trade I'll make every day.

Candace Smith (12:45):
Yeah, me too. Same.

Eva Sheie (12:47):
What has your own experience been with that medication?

Candace Smith (12:50):
Yeah, at first, again, I was skeptical, but then I was like, well, it won't hurt to try it, I guess for a week, and if I hate it, I'll hate it.

Eva Sheie (13:01):
That's what I said too. If I don't like it after one week, I can just quit, right?

Candace Smith (13:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, after a few days of just the food noise completely stopping and I felt like, oh, this is what thin people that I have known my whole life have felt. Like my mom, she's very naturally thin and she's always been, I think puzzled by, why do you feel like you need to eat more? She would divvy up our plates as kids. My two brothers and the boys' plates were big and the girls' plates were, I had a smaller portion.

Eva Sheie (13:37):
Dainty.

Candace Smith (13:37):
And I was like, this is not okay. First of all, I am just as active as them. We're all doing the same kind of stuff, but she was just kind of like, well, this is what I would eat, so therefore that's what you should eat kind of thing. When I felt this sense of I can actually do the things that, like eat the way that I know to eat, my rational brain knew to eat before but, I couldn't consistently do it.

Eva Sheie (14:03):
Yeah. The other day I was laughing. I got these, I mean if I buy chips now, and I was never really a chip eater, but if I buy chips now, I can actually eat a serving of chips, which is so hilarious. I used to think, who could eat nine chips? What's the point of chips if you're only going to eat nine chips? And they last so long in our house now that I throw them away because they go bad before they're gone.

Candace Smith (14:29):
Yeah, I know. I mean, I lived on Tex-Mex and tortilla chips and I remember doing Weight Watchers way back in the day, and yeah, you could have, I think 12 chips for three coins or something.

Eva Sheie (14:42):
Okay, so Weight Watchers, what a racket.

Candace Smith (14:49):
Right, right.

Eva Sheie (14:50):
Chips give me such trauma because on Weight Watchers, you would have to weigh and measure and calculate how many points the chips were, and it would be like the whole meal, if you ate the chips, you couldn't eat dinner, you'd have to only eat the chips. So I would go to Chewies and say, please don't bring the chips. I can't even have the chips on the table. Who gives chips that much power?

Candace Smith (15:15):
I know that exact situation. Going to Chewy's and not having chips and salsa and jalapeno ranch, I'm like, life's not worth living if I can't have these. What's the point? I'm going to eat these things and I'll be fatter. It's okay. That was the trade off for me at that point.

Eva Sheie (15:33):
Right. So how long have you been on GLP-1 meds?

Candace Smith (15:38):
I think it's right around five months. I love them. I don't ever want to go off of them, and that brings up, I think some other things that I think would be helpful for potentially people in practice, myself included. Just that anxiety I think that we have around what are we going to do when we hit our goal or around that place, and do I trust myself going back to live in without them? I don't at this point trust myself.

Eva Sheie (16:06):
No, I don't either. So how has your own experience being on GLP-1 changed the way that you're practicing with your patients?

Candace Smith (16:15):
I have to hold myself back to not want to share about these medications with people who I think would benefit, not even for weight, but just for the other things that they're struggling with. I know that it's a fine line. I'm not a doctor, obviously, I'm not going to recommend something that's out of my lane, but I will drop in here and there if they have chronic pain. I might just say, I have read this article recently. I don't know if it's going to be something that would work for you, but it might be worth exploring that with your doctor if you're interested. But then two, the people that are already on them that I'm working with just working on, again, just the changes mentally and identity wise that are coming up and things in their relationship. When somebody changes in a pretty drastic way, it does impact the relationship and even though the person might be happy or positive about it, it still brings up sometimes other feelings like anxiety and security. What are they going to get so thin and leave me or something. We can all have some irrational thoughts about that.

Eva Sheie (17:28):
But that's a real thing that happens in couples, when one person loses a lot of weight and the other one, I mean, often my husband and I ended up being the exact same weight, which is wild, but then I would think, well, we do eat exactly the same food, so maybe that's why we weigh the same. But then I took off faster than he did. He has lost, he's lost his too now, but he did it with carnivore.

Candace Smith (17:58):
Oh, he's not on the GLP-1s?

Eva Sheie (18:00):
No, no, but he's done great without it. I don't think he had a food addiction.

Candace Smith (18:08):
Yeah, I know it's generalizing, but guys, men, I mean typically he seems to drop it easier.

Eva Sheie (18:13):
I know he would just decide, I think I should lose weight, and then a week later he'd be down 10 pounds and I'd be like, that would take me a year of working out five times a week and counting every calorie. I don't understand this.

Candace Smith (18:26):
No, not fair. It's definitely not fair. So I'm excited to work with people to help, especially with group. I think that I'm a big group person. I love, I have a women's group already right now and for support, connection and ways, we talk about different skills and strategies too. So there's some psychoeducation, but there's also just that sense of camaraderie. And I think with something like GLP-1 that can be really helpful. And then also just talking about the patterns that we're trying to build, what habits we're trying to let go of or move away from.

Eva Sheie (19:04):
What is the group like? Does it have a name?

Candace Smith (19:07):
I just call it women's DBT group, and it's a hoot. I mean, again, we have fun, but we also, I mean there's a lot of serious, obviously things we talk about too.

Eva Sheie (19:16):
Do we have snacks or no snacks?

Candace Smith (19:19):
You know I don't, but I'm happy if people bring stuff in. But everybody gets a chance to, they have their time to check in and just talk about anything that happened this week that they're wanting either to vent about or get help on, and then if they're open for feedback from myself and others, we can do that.

(19:46):
And then we talk about one of the skills, and so DBT is just, we have four main modules or lots of different skills within each module. There's a lot of learning involved, but they're not that they're pretty basic. They're not hard to understand. It's just the hard part is applying them and really integrating them into our lives. Mindfulness, we talk a lot about mindfulness skills. There's different types and ways of practicing those on the front end, and then it's using them then. It's almost preparing for a marathon. It's not going to happen right away. You have to build and practice. Being able to notice, create some distance. I'm noticing my mind is racing, it's having thoughts about this or thoughts about that, and man, that makes sense that I would have some anxiety and it makes sense that my brain wants to go there, even though right now is probably not the time I want to get into that.

(20:38):
So just kind of being compassionate with ourselves at the same time, even though we don't want this thing happening, because a lot of times the more we resist, it can add more stress to the whole dynamic internally. Sometimes people find it helpful to get up and just jot down a couple of things on a notepad and be, remember to think about this tomorrow. Try to do some different kind of self-soothing kind of practices, the breathing, and some people find just to try to get distracted and they internally with something else that is a little more neutral or that they still find a little, it kind of get my attention on. I have an architect that I work with that she'll think about building different houses, but it's less emotionally charged, so it's easier to kind of let it go.

Eva Sheie (21:23):
I picked up the square breath this year, which was huge, and I taught it to my 7-year-old, and if I make her do three of 'em, she'll fall asleep in about two minutes. It's amazing. If anybody's listening like, what the heck is that? It's just in for four, hold for seven, out for eight, five times in a row. I'm sure there's a million variations on that. They probably all work.

Candace Smith (21:49):
But that combo of, and a lot of yoga I think, and meditation from way long ago, builds on this idea of you're kind of working with your mind and body. If they go together on something, you're taking some deeper breaths, but your mind is counting at the same time.

Eva Sheie (22:08):
And I notice if I'm ruminating a ton that I'm not breathing at all. I'm just sort of holding really tightly to something that isn't even real. In the DBT, I'm curious what I think a lot of people would be familiar with CBT, that's been around for a long time. The C is for cognitive, and the D is for dialectical. And I'm guessing, because I know some words that there's something language related about dialectical or am I off the track?

Candace Smith (22:39):
Oh, yeah, is definitely, that's a big part of DBT. It's like we're trying to, so dialectical kind of means these opposing forces into the spectrum, and we're trying to move more and having more middle ground in our thinking and acting and also holding both. I can be really angry at you and love you and not want to end our relationship, but I'm really mad, you're holding both. And that is sometimes difficult for people. Yeah, dialectical with emotions, either people on the one end, we've tried to shut 'em down, suppress them, push them down, and then on the other side, it's just like we feel it, we want to act on it and do something about it. And it's trying to find a little bit more middle ground where we can accept it, understand why it's happening, and then decide with some different skills what I want to do with this right now.

Eva Sheie (23:37):
So it's like a framework for managing emotions almost?

Candace Smith (23:41):
Yes. It is like a framework and a philosophy. It does bring in, dialectical behavior is like CBT. It takes some of that, but also some of then acceptance, mindfulness practices as well, so a lot of acceptance. We do a lot of, again, balancing acceptance and change. You have a situation going on. It's like what's in your control? What's not? Being able to break that down?

Eva Sheie (24:06):
It sounds very practical.

Candace Smith (24:08):
Very practical, which a lot of people do like. They appreciate that, a lot of people also like that it's a little more interactive and not just the client coming in just to unload and talk. I mean, that feels good for a little bit, but a lot of times it doesn't do much in terms of getting them into a better place.

Eva Sheie (24:28):
I was just thinking about Shrinking.

Candace Smith (24:31):
Oh, love that show.

Eva Sheie (24:32):
So funny. There was an episode recently where somebody was like, I don't know why I come here and just pay you money and talk, and then leave every week, and nothing ever changes. I think that was Shrinking.

Candace Smith (24:43):
Yeah, that's why Marsha Lanehan, I mean, she actually used that as an example of why she thought this was effective. We need the warm caring environment with person that we feel safe with and we can trust. We need that in our environment, but we need more than just that too, and we don't want it to be too cold and clinical, like here are the skills. I mean, if that was the case, we could just read a book and everybody would be fine and we wouldn't need therapy.

Eva Sheie (25:10):
I'm struck constantly at how much I've learned and picked up along the way. I really appreciate being old, older, because some of these horrible things that we go through, that everyone goes through, you either take those opportunities to figure out how to handle them better the next time, or you don't. What happens if you don't?

Candace Smith (25:36):
Yeah, they keep happening or different ways that are happening. I think

Eva Sheie (25:40):
It's not a way to have a happy life. Things are going to happen and none of us are getting out of here alive.

Candace Smith (25:46):
No. Everybody has stuff that is going to come up, and that's a big thing that, I mean a takeaway that I hope that potential clients or whoever, if they're thinking about therapy to be a little bit on the proactive side. It's kind of like the same with health things too, with diabetes, they talk about, it's like if you wait, it starts to have these effects in our bodies that we might not even be aware of until a certain point where you then have a bigger issue to deal with. So I think the same with mental health. It's like just having the courage, the humility, whatever it is to kind of say, you know what? This is a part of my life that maybe isn't working as well, or I'm struggling in and let me just look at it and talk about it and figure out what's happening and going on. And we'll save you I think a lot of heart ache or tears down the road.

Eva Sheie (26:39):
Yeah, well said. Well, what do you do when you're not at work?

Candace Smith (26:45):
Well, again, life after GLP-1s is a little different. I think I used to go out with friends a lot more, go out to eat, drink. I'm a very social person. I love hang out with people. I still do that, but not as much I find, and it's in a different way. And I have two daughters, so I do a lot with them and don't love cooking as much anymore either. That's one thing I used to enjoy.

Eva Sheie (27:11):
I like cooking one, I just made a pot of soup that lasted two weeks.

Candace Smith (27:17):
That sounds good. I mean, I need to do something like that. That would be low maintenance.

Eva Sheie (27:22):
Oh, yeah. Best cookbook I've ever owned is called, I give her a shout out all the time, cuz it's so good. What to Cook When You Don't Feel Like Cooking, which is basically a GLP-1 cookbook. She didn't intend it to be, but it is.

Candace Smith (27:38):
That's funny. I like that. Yes, I need that.

Eva Sheie (27:40):
It's fantastic. It's broken down by things you can make in 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes and one hour.

Candace Smith (27:47):
I love it. Okay, that's good. I'll look into that then.

Eva Sheie (27:50):
Yeah, it's great.

Candace Smith (27:51):
My youngest daughter, she didn't know that, I mean, she doesn't know that I'm doing the GLP ones. I don't know if you've told your daughter.

Eva Sheie (27:56):
She doesn't, mine are too little, I mean, they know I've lost weight. You can't hide losing a hundred pounds, it's not.

Candace Smith (28:03):
No, no. I mean, yes, my daughter knows I'm losing weight. I just call it like, oh, I'm just getting healthier in some ways or whatever, but she doesn't know why or how. But then so she found these chips. It's like this one, I'm from East Texas and there's these certain chips that are really not that, they're just my emotional chips that I loved. Last time we were going, she found them in the store. She was like, mom, oh my God, your chips, your favorite chips. And I was like, oh, it made my stomach turn to even think about eating them. Oh, I don't think I'm going to have 'em. And she's like, what? I mean, she was so shocked.

Eva Sheie (28:39):
Yeah, they're constantly trying to stick candy in my mouth.

Candace Smith (28:44):
Oh, really?

Eva Sheie (28:45):
Well, they're little. They're smaller than your daughter's, I think. But yeah, they're always confused why I won't eat, and it isn't even that I don't have my can look at it and go, I want that, but I can't eat it.

Candace Smith (29:01):
I know it's confusing to us too, right? It's like, I don't know why I'm just not wanting this. But yeah, I think talking to them about, I mean, I've always had the philosophy, I know you asked this a long time ago, I don't think I ever answered it, but I think that you have the same philosophy of trying to not obviously put a value on food, what is good or bad or anything. And my mom's always been very, I can't believe you let the Halloween bowl with full of candy out for your daughters just to pick at for the next week. I'm like, yeah, you did the opposite and you hid it. And then I had to go and find it, and it made me want it more. They don't care. They're like, they will leave it. They don't even look at it because it's out and available. So that's the kind of philosophy I'm having, eat basically what you want, how you want it. I mean, I think that obviously there's healthier things and they like healthier things. It's not like because I haven't moralized it or anything. It's like they can trust their appetite.

Eva Sheie (29:58):
It's just food. Certain kinds of food can't have more power than other kinds of food.

Candace Smith (30:04):
No.

Eva Sheie (30:05):
Well, if someone's listening and they want to find out more about your practice or potentially join the group or come see you, how would they find out more about you?

Candace Smith (30:14):
They can go to my website, which is candacedbt.com. You can also just do a Google search for Candace Smith and DBT and Austin. So I'd be happy to answer any questions if anybody has any.

Eva Sheie (30:29):
I'll make sure we put all those links in the show notes so you're easy to find. And I think if you're up for it, we'd love to have you come back and talk to us on the weight loss podcast on Less of You.

Candace Smith (30:39):
It'd be so fun. Love it.

Eva Sheie (30:41):
I think that audience would really get a lot out of hearing about what you're doing and how you're thinking about it, so we'd be honored to have you.

Candace Smith (30:50):
Oh, that'd be great. I would love it. That'd be full circle or me.

Eva Sheie (30:56):
Yeah.

Candace Smith (30:56):
I've enjoyed ya'll's podcast a lot, so.

Eva Sheie (31:00):
Well, thank you.

Candace Smith (31:01):
It's been very helpful.

Eva Sheie (31:02):
You didn't intend it to be anything other than us talking about the day-to-day of what's happening in the weight loss journey,

Candace Smith (31:12):
But again, that's what people need and there's not a lot, I mean, I can't talk to, I don't have anybody else that I know that is on it, so I would just seek out other people that are just talking about their journey. I thought that was really interesting.

Eva Sheie (31:25):
Well, thank you.

Candace Smith (31:26):
Yeah, and I think both of your personalities, I think it's a nice blend of how you guys compliment each other.

Eva Sheie (31:34):
Oh, thanks. Yeah, we're having a good time. Appreciate it. Thank you, Candace.

Candace Smith (31:40):
Oh my gosh. Thank you so much for having me.

Eva Sheie (31:45):
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