Joy Kong, MD - Stem Cell Therapy Specialist in Los Angeles, California

Eva Sheie (00:03):
The purpose of this podcast is simple. We want you to get to know your doctor before meeting them in person because you're making a life-changing decision, and time is scarce. The more you can learn about who your doctor is before you meet them, the better that first meeting will be. There is no substitute for an in-person appointment, but we hope this comes close. I'm your host, Eva Sheie, and you're listening to Meet the Doctor. Welcome back to Meet the Doctor. My guest today is Dr. Joy Kong. I'm super excited to have her on because she has a very interesting and different background, and I'll let her tell us what that is. Where are you in the world and your specialty and what are you working on today?

Dr. Kong (00:45):
Well, I'm in Los Angeles in California, so I specialize now in anti-aging and regenerative medicine. I'm basically a stem cell specialist, and that's been transformed from a psychiatrist. So I was an ex psychiatrist, but before that I was studying architecture. So I have different permutations in life and I'm not done yet. I'm still transforming, but now I specialize in stem cell therapy.

Eva Sheie (01:14):
So how did you make the leap from psychiatry to anti-aging?

Dr. Kong (01:20):
Okay, so I actually came to this country, to the US when I was 20 years old. I wanted to study biology. I loved the human body or any just life form. I think it's just fascinating. Went into medical school, excited about the brain. I didn't go into medical school thinking I was going to become a psychiatrist. You go into medical school thinking you're going to become a regular medical doctor, but I just got really excited about the brain, so I got kind of sidetracked. I said, well, I actually practiced psychiatry for 11 years and it was great. It was fascinating, but I felt we weren't addressing the root causes enough. We're segregating the head from the body, and that is not a wise way to approach the brain. I feel you really need to address everything else that's in the body, and that got me interested in integrative medicine, something that's a little bit more inclusive rather than focusing on different organs.

(02:22):
How about we look at all the organs together, how they affect each other? And that has to do with my upbringing, the fact that I grew up in China, Chinese medicine, the meridians running through your entire body, the liver, the eyes, everything is connected right? Large intestine, all these different organs are connected along different meridians, and it only makes sense for me to look at the body as a system. So when I started going into integrated medicine, partially to help my patients to do better, partially to help myself to be more vibrant, and that's when I encountered stem cell therapy because it's a cutting edge form of medicine. It's not just your run of the mill, because your conventional medicine is not going to embrace stem cell therapy because it's too new. Conventional medicine is very conservative. It takes about 20 years for new science to percolate into the regular medical practice. But integrated medicine are ready to jump on any new information. So anti-aging medicine is about slowing down the aging process. You need to look at all these parameters in house, in nutrition, microbiome, hormones, toxicity. You need to look at everything in order to slow down the progression of aging. But regular medicine, conventional medicine is not looking at any of those. They're fairly myopic because the focus was on drugs. So if it doesn't fit into the drug paradigm, there wasn't much interest.

Eva Sheie (03:52):
I imagine when you're in medical school being raised in another country where that's not how they think, did it sort of drive you nuts? I imagine you even got in trouble. Were you asking questions no one wanted you to ask?

Dr. Kong (04:05):
Well, I had some diversion views from some of my classmates. And I remember meeting this very nerdy MD PhD student, and I mentioned something about being interested in acupuncture. And then he said, well, there's still no evidence that acupuncture actually works. I said, are you serious? Have you looked, have you actually in our library, there's reams and reams of papers actually talking about the evidence. Just because you haven't looked doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. And then he changed his tune. He said, well, we don't know how it works, so because we don't know how it works. He said, we don't know how. But all these studies we're trying to figure out how. The hypocritical part about this whole medical education was that western medicine never criticized itself for not knowing how. Because once it's proven by some studies showing that there's some efficacy, they push it into the market, they're ready to give it to people, collect money, and nevermind we don't know how. Because I found out about that during pharmacology class during my second year in med school. I was mad. I said, well, look at the bottom line of trying to understand all these drugs. We talk about the pharmac dynamics and kinetics and all this stuff. We know the molecules and how long they stay in the body and the results of what they did, but we don't know exactly how it works. But they brush over it. They said, well, it works, so accept it and prescribe it when you become a doctor. And that's when I got really upset because I saw the hypocrisy that there's double standard. For me from a Chinese culture it's a given. We've all experienced acupuncture. We've all seen our parents, our friends, getting benefits, hormone balancing, headaches, digestive issues. My mom drinking Chinese medicine, basically cured from multiple myeloma when she was in the regular Western Medical Hospital for six months and getting chemotherapy almost died. So I have firsthand experience seeing what Chinese medicine can do. So you've got to respect the system that actually works. If something actually works, you need to understand why and how and respect it instead of just dismissing it because it has a different philosophy from yours.

Eva Sheie (06:35):
While you're treating psychiatry patients, I imagine this was really challenging to see. I mean, were you just bucking against the system the whole time? It doesn't surprise me that you moved on to something else.

Dr. Kong (06:48):
Well, psychiatry actually is very interesting field and certainly there's a psychological aspect, understanding the way we are formulating, we have formulated our coping mechanism, our childhood experiences, how that affected us, but also biologically our brain, how that could misfire, misfunction creating different erroneous messages and ideas and self-belief. So I actually thought it can't be quite effective actually as a discipline because I saw it way more effective than neurology. Because for my love brain, I thought about becoming a neurologist, studying the nervous system. But then I realized the neurologist is a pretty depressing profession because people are quite ill. They get a stroke, they have different brain disorders. They come in and you locate exactly where in the brain the problem is, and that's pretty much all you can do. You don't really have a remedy. But when I encountered psychiatry, you can actually give a drug to somebody that's flagrantly psychotic or manic or very, very depressed to the point of suicidal, and you can give them a medication and lift them out of that state within sometimes a day, two days.

(08:08):
So I thought, oh my God, I'm making a difference. This is cool. We can actually shift the brain. So in that sense, it's very powerful. For emergency situations, for very acute conditions where people are in grave danger for themselves or to other people, or they cannot take care of themselves at all, these medications are lifesaver. However, they do not address the root cause. They still don't, don't tell you why the people are getting sick and all the different things that you can optimize. We actually, we know people who sue holistic medicine, even if they have severe mood disorder, depression or even psychosis, by doing nutrition the right way, by detoxing their body, you can reverse a lot of the problems. But if you do not address those and you just throw drugs and drugs and drugs, you accumulate all these side effects and the person's sick. Right? Person's still sick from all the toxic stuff that's causing the body to be imbalanced. And then on top of it, you're throwing all these drugs with all these side effects. So it's not a good life. It's not a thriving, it is not what me as a doctor really want to see. I want to see people well.

Eva Sheie (09:29):
I was a huge fan of the TV show House, and I'm curious, how do you go about identifying what is causing someone to be unwell if they're in this kind of situation? Do you go to their house and look under the kitchen cabinet? Dr. House used to send the interns out there, look what we found under the kitchen sink.

Dr. Kong (09:50):
Yeah, there could be a lot of things that ended up not being looked at for sure. So of course we start with the most common doctors, especially conventional medicine, if they only have seven minutes per patient, so what are they going to do? Are they going to talk to you? No, they're going to try to get a blood test and figure something out really quickly. But if you have time, like what we do in the clinic, we spend 45 minutes to an hour with a patient really understanding where the patient come from and where the problem could be. And then you can address, look under the hood a lot more carefully. You can look at their digestive system, their sleep patterns, their ability to adapt to stress and hormone levels. So you get to look at all these factors. Yeah, it's complex. Human life is very complex.

Eva Sheie (10:36):
Give me an example. So let's say someone complaints that they don't sleep well. What kind of things would you look at for sleep?

Dr. Kong (10:44):
Do they have a lot of inflammation going on in the body? Is their brain functioning optimally? Could there be hormone imbalances, that their system is not in balance? Could they have vitamin deficiencies, nutritional deficiencies? Is there toxicity? Are you having some kind of, is there heavy metal involved? Is there organic toxins involved? Are there parasites or infections involved? What's the status of your microbiome, your gut health? So you start to dig deeper. A lot of times is poor nutrition and underlying inflammation. The ail of modern life, we're eating terrible food that's produced for us to be addicted to and to make money. So people are giving us food to make money, not to help us to be healthy. So that could be one of the big part of the problem. And then you're addicted and you keep eating the food that's bad for you and you don't even realize. And then you get all these metabolic problems and you need to address the terrain. It's a journey. Anybody, I have not met a perfect human being. We're all on a journey. Whether or not is psychological or physical or spiritual, none of us is done.

Eva Sheie (12:09):
Today, how do people find you and what do they find you for when someone calls your office? What are they asking for?

Dr. Kong (12:17):
Yeah, usually most of them, I would say 85 to 90% of them are dealing with a severe health issue, a crisis. And they've tried everything and they stumble upon me a lot of times on YouTube because I do a lot of education. I do give lectures a lot to doctors, but those lectures are also on YouTube. And I also post videos where I explain things in a more kind of understandable form. I don't care about big words. I want to understand what's the bottom line? What can you tell me that's actually going to make a difference to my health? And that's really what's important. So I do some podcast episodes and I interview various scientists and doctors and pioneers, but I also as a stem cell specialist, there are so many misconceptions and so much to cover in the area of stem cell. So I keep educating people, and then people find me on YouTube. They usually go down this rabbit hole watching all of my videos and they find me. But the good thing is by the time they find me, they've almost watched all my videos and they're already educated on this stuff.

Eva Sheie (13:28):
They know everything,

Dr. Kong (13:30):
Which is fantastic. Then we can really just tailor what we talk about regarding the patient instead of asking general questions about stem cell therapy, let's talk about you, how we can help you.

Eva Sheie (13:41):
And are they all ages? Are they mostly from California? Are they from all over the world?

Dr. Kong (13:47):
We help patients, we used to say five years and above, but now we lower to four years and above, cuz there's so many autistic children. So we do have a pediatrician on staff and we treat a lot of little kids with autism, even teenagers or even in our twenties, people with autism. And then all the way to people in their nineties who may be suffering from some condition or who may just want to live better life toward the end of the life, the whole gamut. So we see the entire spectrum.

Eva Sheie (14:20):
Tell me more about the autism. I heard on a podcast that I listened to of you talking to someone else earlier today. That was the first thing that you sort of fell into backwards with stem cells on was a child with autism.

Dr. Kong (14:34):
Right, right. It was funny, me going into psychiatry, I thought, oh my God, all these adults are suffering. Why don't I intervene earlier? So I want to go into child psychiatry so I can stop people from becoming so sick. But the problem child psychiatry is that there's so many autism patients, it's autism ADHD that inundated child psychiatry practice. And the depressing part was, I don't think child psychiatry really was that helpful because they are either sedating the patients, the little kids, or they're stimulating little kids. So there's two directions, sedate or stimulate, and fundamentally, it's not making them function better. It's making the life of parents just a little easier. That was it. And it's not satisfying. It's actually depressing. So I purposely did not go to child psychiatry, even though I've seen plenty of autism patients. And then I ran into this anesthesiologist who had nothing to do with autism, not educated on autism, and he told me, oh, I just gave this autistic kid some umbilical cord stem cells. Look at all these things that teacher were reporting of all the changes, better eye contact, no longer procrastinating, able to verbalize, able to play better with other kids, the 40 different things, a long list of changes that he was able to bring about with some simple IV infusion.

Eva Sheie (16:10):
That was my next question was how did he give it to him? How do we even deliver stem cells?

Dr. Kong (16:15):
You're an anesthesiologist, but you are able to bring this kind of results where I was trained in it, and I don't have the tools for it, so I better look into what are in these cells, what are the cells doing? What the hell? So I have all these drugs, I can't do what you just did. So that's really, that was the beginning of just my curiosity, why my curiosity is the most important thing I want to understand. So if something is helping somebody so much, I am going to do whatever I can to understand it. So that's how I got into this deep dive, looking through all the research of these studies from all around the world and not just autism, osteoarthritis, autoimmune diseases, brain conditions, heart, lung, liver, kidneys, reproductive system, and you name it. The research is so abundant and so exciting. And that's how I ended up creating an Academy where I trained other doctors because by me diving into all this, I'm collecting all this evidence, all these articles, and I thought, I better share. I better teach other doctors since there's no formal education about this.

Eva Sheie (17:30):
It sounds like you're sort of obsessed with figuring out how these work.

Dr. Kong (17:34):
Yeah, right. It's a good obsession, right?

Eva Sheie (17:37):
It's a good obsession.

Dr. Kong (17:38):
Yeah, yeah.

Eva Sheie (17:40):
Do you have any stories like success stories, or they don't even have to be big wow stories, but what kinds of things have you done to help patients with stem cells?

Dr. Kong (17:51):
So lemme just talk about my very first patient who had knee osteoarthritis. Very common condition, 69 years old, told by two orthopedic surgeons, oh, absolutely, you need bilateral knee replacement. And then he came to me wanting to save his knees, hoping not to get surgery. And what I did was that I gave him an IV infusion and I injected one cc of stem cells into each of his knee. And what's fascinating was the next day, first of all, he said, oh, I slept through the night. I haven't slept through the night for 40 years because I have this rotator cuff injury when the car rolled over when I was a teenager. So the injury never fully healed. Every time I shift my body, I end up waking myself up. So he slept through the night. That kind of got calmed down, and this is eight years later, the shoulder was fixed.

(18:45):
I never touched the shoulder. I didn't know about the shoulder. The shoulder was fixed and the knees were fixed, right? Never needed surgery. He's late seventies. He's going to more trade shows than anybody I know with tremendous stamina and walking everywhere, four miles a day actually. That was just first my first taste, as a psychiatrist who ventured into integrated medicine and trying out stem cell therapy. That was my first case. I was like, oh my God, I'm able to do what these orthopedic surgeons have no idea about. I saved his knees. I mean, how cool is that? That's why I went to medical school because I wanted to be effective. I wanted to actually make a difference. So that was first one. One patient had liver cirrhosis. He was in deathbed, hospice, so he had big ascites, big swollen belly, very skinny, barely had very weak voice.

(19:41):
I could barely hear him. And he was basically close to death in maybe a few months. And then his brother paid for his treatment and I gave him one treatment. I was expecting him to come back another time, but he didn't come back. So I didn't know what happened to him. And then I got on this radio show, the person that introduced me and the brother was the radio show host. He said, Hey, I have this patient's brother on the line, and why don't you talk on air? I was like, oh, really? Great. Well, how is your brother doing? The one with the liver cirrhosis? He said, he is doing great. During the drive, even just driving back home to Sacramento from Los Angeles, his swelling was going down tremendously in his abdomen. And then within a few weeks he was walking around pacing in the yard, talking on the phone like a regular person, right?

(20:31):
With loud voice. And then within a few months, he went back to his primary care, found out his liver function was normal. And I literally said, really? Because I was so, I was still early in my career in stem cell therapy, and that was a shocker. And so that's another example. But yeah, recently we had a 17-year-old boy who had progressive cholangitis, which is a inflammation of the bile duct to the point where his liver was shutting down and he is on a liver transplant list. And after two stem cell sessions, his liver function was returned to normal and he's off the liver transplant list. I've treated COPD patient, this 911 responder. He has severe lung damage. Half of his colleagues have died from trying to save people after 911, all young vital men in their forties. So he didn't know how long he was going to live, and then he first went to Mexico to get stem cell treatment, but got a lot of side effects and some benefit.

(21:34):
But when he came to us, no side effects, tremendous increase in energy. So instead of two months of severe fatigue after the stem cell therapy in Mexico, he got no fatigue with increased energy and significant improvement in three days of his lung function, instead of after two and a half months after the stem cell therapy in Mexico. That just shows you stem cells are not the same everywhere. You don't just like stem cells. So it didn't work in one place. Doesn't mean that stem cells doesn't work. It may just be that you didn't go to the place that have the right cells or the right techniques. But now his lung condition's reversed. His pulmonologist basically said, yep, you can say that you don't have lung disease anymore. It's incredible. He's the first 911 victim that has a reversal of the lung disease because of 911. So I have so many stories. Yeah, testicular, swelling, saving somebody's testicle, and from repeat nodules, inflammation and infections. We recently had somebody who was blind in one eye from surgical injury during a brain surgery when he was nine years old. So 44 years later, we did one stem cell treatment and he began to see in that one eye. Yeah, just lots of wonderful stories.

Eva Sheie (23:02):
I have so many questions. How long did it take you when you started doing this to realize that it was doing what it was doing? It seems like even now, you're sort of like, I can't believe that worked.

Dr. Kong (23:15):
I know, I know. I'm constantly inspired by the results. Like a little kid in the candy stores, I have quite a few doctors working at our clinic, and they share with me like, oh yeah, this patient, guess what's just happened? I was like, wow, really? Yeah, we had a trigeminal neuralgia patient. After the fifth covid booster, she got debilitating trigeminal neuralgia, these nerve pain so severe that she was thinking that she didn't want to live anymore. And then with one treatment, basically she became pain-free. She had one episode one week later, that was it. But she was getting 30 to 50 episodes a day. So I mean, we just keep accumulating these really incredible stories because a lot of it, there's no research. So we're on the front line. We're seeing firsthand what happens to people who suffer from different conditions. And we don't know what's going to happen.

(24:07):
We never make claims. We don't over promise. We just tell the patient, we don't know, this is experimental, but we know how the cells work. The cells are anti-inflammatory, they modulate the immune system. They break down scar tissue, they help with new blood vessel formation. They kill off cancer. They protect damaged tissue preventing them from dying. They give you fresh mitochondria to help your cell elevate it's cellular energy. So all these things we know of how the cells work. And then let's look at why you're having disease in the first place. It's a lot of inflammation going on. Is there tissue damage going on? Is your immune system dysregulated that's preventing you from healing? If those are true, then the stem cells, hey, they're anti-inflammatory, immune modulating, and they promote tissue repair, right? Wake up the local stem cells to help you make new tissue. So then we can tell people, this is how the cells work. This is how your disease work, and let's see if they're a fit. So that's how we approach this.

Eva Sheie (25:09):
Does it ever not work?

Dr. Kong (25:10):
Yeah. Yeah. I would say our success rate probably is 90%. We definitely, a vast majority of patients will see benefits, but like I said, health is complex. So even psychologically, if the people who are very negative, who are almost like a willing themselves, I'm just miserable, nothing's going to help me. So if you have that kind of attitude, it is much more difficult. But that aside, there's a lot of people with toxic load. It could be heavy metal, it could be organic toxins, it could be parasites and infections, and that just harboring in their body, and that is really dragging their regenerative potential down. And even things like infections from root canals. Have you seen the documentary Root Cause?

Eva Sheie (26:05):
I have.

Dr. Kong (26:06):
It's such a good documentary. So interesting. But it goes into the science and it's entertaining as well. But it shows you what happens when the root canal goes wrong, which a lot of them do go wrong, and how you had a raging toxicity infection right in your head, and that could be preventing things from healing. And then certain viruses also selectively attack the type of stem cells we're giving patients. So like herpes family virus, they tend to destroy mesenchymal stem cells that we're giving to patients, because those cells somehow had the receptors for these viruses. So the nature sometimes have this strange, the design, the fluke or whatever that's going on. So there's a lot of factors. That's why some people, if it doesn't work, then that gives us the clue. Okay, there's something deeper, something we have not addressed yet. So let's take a deeper dive into your system.

Eva Sheie (27:00):
Where do you get the stem cells from?

Dr. Kong (27:02):
So ones we use are from umbilical cord. So I actually broke down why the umbilical cord source, right now, I think is the most potent and the safest, and also ethical at the same time. So no one is using embryonic stem cells, which requires the destruction of an embryo. But umbilical cord cells comes from a live healthy birth. So when a baby's born, the baby's live and healthy. What'd you do with a cord? Right? You cut it off and you toss it in past.

Eva Sheie (27:32):
I'm very annoyed right now that you didn't tell me to save those. I really feel like I wish I had them back now.

Dr. Kong (27:41):
I know, I know. So they started to ask parents if they want to save them because it costs a lot of money, a few thousand dollars a year. A lot of parents would just say, no, it's okay. No, I'm not going to save it. But they're asked if they want to.

Eva Sheie (27:55):
Are you talking about when they ask us if they want to bank our cord blood, is that what they're?

Dr. Kong (28:01):
Yeah.

Eva Sheie (28:01):
Yeah. And everyone was like, nah, don't do it. There's nothing you can really do with it. I remember this wasn't that long ago for me.

Dr. Kong (28:07):
It probably can do a lot. It's supposedly for your baby, but some parents want to use it for themselves. But if you want to use it for yourself, you might as well use some other person's umbilical cord. You don't have to use your own babies. That's supposed to be saved for your own baby. That's identical to your baby. You're only 50% identical to your baby. So you might as well use the strangers because all these cells from umbilical cord, especially the cord tissue, they're full of mesenchymal stem cells, which are immune evasive. So they're kind of under the radar of the immune system because they don't have surface markers that mark them as foreign. So it doesn't even matter who it came from. It can be from someone completely unrelated, and it doesn't provoke that kind of immune reaction. Actually, it's been FDA approved to treat immune reactions like acute graft versus host disease. So that's something that we now know we can tap into, which is these new birth tissue that usually was tossed. Now we can get all the cells either from the cord blood or the cord tissue, which is mostly the Wharton's jelly. That's the gelatinous material that's wrapping around the blood vessels in the cord. There are a lot of mesenchymal stem cells, so you can get those out. Highly, highly therapeutic. A lot of great research on them.

Eva Sheie (29:28):
That is really exciting. And what a world we're in. It feels like Christmas. Where did you come from? And I'm just floored and I'm so excited that we got hear just a little piece of what you're doing today. It's remarkable. And really your passion for it is what makes it so exciting, because I don't think you're going to give up until you have figured it all out.

Dr. Kong (29:53):
No, this is fun. This is fun, right? Life is about thriving. It's about expressing your power. You're given this consciousness, this body to explore, and you need to express yourself, and you're expressed by using your intelligence, using your creativity. So that's what I'm doing. I'm using my creativity and intelligence to make the world better, everybody, to elevate everybody. It is exciting. And we're just at the beginning, the drug paradigm is dying. I'm sorry. Drugs are important, but to focus on drugs, drug, drugs, it is so narrow-minded. It's very immature. It's an immature way of looking at this miracle of a body. There's so much we can do. I mean, we're just getting to just the surface. Now we know about these stem cells. We also know about different organelles, what they can do. Now, we know about quantum energy, how they can trigger the cells and program the cells. In our clinic, we use laser light to direct the cells to different organs. I don't have to inject into different organs. I can use the light to help attract the cells to different internal organs. So it's like, yeah, a kid in a candy store, we have so much great stuff happening. You just wait. Just stay alive and it is going to get better and better.

Eva Sheie (31:18):
Just hang on. Around the country, now, not everyone can come to LA to see you, although now I'm thinking about it now, how would we find someone who is as well educated? I mean, maybe there isn't anyone, but with as much experience doing this the right way, anywhere else in the country? What would we look for?

Dr. Kong (31:38):
People who are actually trained and educated on this? So a lot of doctors, unless you really devote the time, like you said, I was obsessed, so I went down a rabbit hole, but not many doctors have the time or really the determination to just go down that rabbit hole. So then they can take a course to become familiar so they can sit down and be given the information, at least go through the training instead of searching for everything on their own. So this is why I founded the Academy where when doctors get trained, they get a full spectrum of all the information. And I teach 'em techniques of how to do the stem cell treatments. So it's called AAICT. So we have some providers listed on the website. If people are not in Los Angeles, they can look for a provider that may be closer to them. So that's one resource, but it's a little bit of a wild west. There are different doctors making different claims is very confusing for patients. But really, how do you know who is good?

Eva Sheie (32:43):
I mean, the reason I make podcasts with doctors is because I want people to get to know them and make good decisions. And the way I found my lawyer was because she had a podcast. I think that's how you figure it out.

Dr. Kong (32:55):
Oh, interesting. That's funny.

Eva Sheie (32:58):
You have a podcast, see what everything has in common. It's that they all have a podcast.

Dr. Kong (33:03):
That's funny. Yeah.

Eva Sheie (33:04):
That must be it.

Dr. Kong (33:05):
I just listened to, I think it was Joe Rogan's show, and they were saying, don't even count on mainstream media, cuz you're getting a very skewed view.

Eva Sheie (33:14):
It's over.

Dr. Kong (33:15):
Of the world. Yeah. So podcasts, real authentic people, talking about current, real subjects instead of filtered and doctored subjects. So that's where the freedom can be found that you can seek truth instead of being told.

Eva Sheie (33:38):
And rely on your instincts. Because if something, my mom always said, if it seems too good to be true, it's probably too good to be true. Anyone who's over promising anything anywhere is probably not being realistic.

Dr. Kong (33:55):
Yeah, yeah.

Eva Sheie (33:56):
Give us your website, your Instagram handle, and your podcast, and I'll make sure we put links to everything in the show notes so that they're easy to find.

Dr. Kong (34:04):
Okay. So my website is just Joy Kong md. So Kong with a K, so JoyKongmd.com. That has everything that I do, basically, my clinic, the stem cell company I created to help the other doctors, the Academy I founded, American Academy of Integrative Cell Therapy, so it's AAICT.org. The stem cell cream I created, I don't think we talked about it. I created a stem cell cream.

Eva Sheie (34:32):
No, now you have to tell us. Sorry.

Dr. Kong (34:35):
It's a hundred percent natural. It's a labor of love because I wanted a decent cream for myself that I know is not toxic. So I created a 100% natural cream that has stem cell component, have peptides, and all these herbal extracts. I probably packed in more herbal extracts than any cream out there and antioxidants, prebiotics. So it was a really comprehensive, very, very mild formulation, but also very potent. So it's very gentle on the skin. It's penetrate steeply, but it has powerful components. So that's called Chara Omni. And then I have my memoir Tiger of Beijing that talked about how I made it to America when I was 20 years old, and how I survived the first two years. I ran into another obstacle in this country, this culture. So it's, it's a good story. Of course, my podcast, people are welcome to check out my podcast, Dr. Joy Kong podcast. And my Instagram, just Dr. Joy Kong. Yeah. Okay, Dr_Joy_Kong.

Eva Sheie (35:38):
You keep giving me more things to ask about. I guess we'll just have to leave it with a cliffhanger or you're going to have to come back and tell us what the story of the Tiger of Beijing.

Dr. Kong (35:49):
Oh, the story's a good one. Yeah. Everybody that's ever read the story and they were very surprised. Yeah, I am very candid person. I hold nothing back. What I experienced is what I'll tell you. And just take the journey with me.

Eva Sheie (36:03):
I'm not going to get any work done today. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Kong.

Dr. Kong (36:08):
Yeah, this is a fun chat. Thank you, Eva.

Eva Sheie (36:12):
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